Visible Gridlines Behind Clips

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4.3 out and still not fixed. I dont understand theese developers. This should be really easy to implement, and just make it optional. It could be SO simple.

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I’ve been waiting for this feature for years. Instead of adding up more rants here, you can email devs. (not the regular channel because it’s beta period. beta@bitwig.com) I do this when a new major beta comes out. It’s unfortunate, but it’s the most effective way to get requests heard.

Implementation should be simple, but choosing to do so may be not that simple. I see possible performance issue when this implemented naively.

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Ps. I found out how you can enable a snap to the grid when scrolling/dragging in clips. Its not that fluent but the feature is there, so I have to take this one back!

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Oh PLEASE NO. It looks absolutely disgusting. Literally makes the UI look like a frikkin Microsoft Excel spreadsheet.WHO THE HELL looks at Ableton Lives monstrosity (Or most other DAWs bad design choices from 1990) of an arranging window, and thinks its good on the eyes or serves any purpose.
A billion line patterns on screen, that strain the eyes, that are also compltely unecessary.
People who request this “feature” (its rather a design abnormality) have no clue about design and psychology.

If at all, this should be optional and implemented better.
Nobody should have to put up with this and I’m really glad BitWig is not listening to this.

I also don’t get why you are not allowed to downvote “features” in this forum.
Completely defies the argument of what people REALLY want.

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And design and psychology involves… some variety? I’ve been using DAW for about 20 years and I sometimes end up nearly 200 tracks. I know what I need, and your response sounds a bit aggresive to me.

Of course, this should be optional, and as you may noticed from my mock-up, lines are quite subtle. IMO it doesn’t look like excel or somthing. But ideally, line opacity can also be tweakable.

So, I’m not human? Beep-bop :joy:

Just kidding, and I think if this forum introduces downvoting, this should be separate measure, not to be summed up with upvotes. It would be meaningful to check up/downvote ratio.

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I don’t get why that guy above is so peeved about this request. I]the request makes 100% sense. It harms nothing. I think the extra information on the track (the grid lines) would serve as useful reference points when making chops. Especially if the tracks height was extended. The user above seems to think it would distract the eye. There are already tons of lines everywhere this only shows the lines that are already on the screen by syncing them all the way down…

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For sessions that run longer, 12-14 hours, and your shoulders neck and eyes are tired, the lines would definitely make things easier for me. Hitting a milestone or finishing something, is a nice psychology that emerges from a smile and a sense of accomplishment.

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How is it possible that Bitwig 5 Beta is out, and still this thing is not fixed?

I would go as far as saying this is a Bug. A nasty one. Something which drastically impares the workflow of users, who are used to work with adjusting midi/audio on top of the bar/beat-lines. An absolute standard for a DAW. Not having transparent clips is like not having a playhead to me: you get blindfolded.

I guess the frustration about this particular feature request not being adressed comes from the perceived ease of its implementation…
Making a 100% color a bit transparent takes one second in any editor.

Please add up your voice by writing email to bitwig. Along with Make barlines more prominent, I believe this request can boost productivity immensely.

But one thing I’d like to address is that transparency comes with extra rendering cost, which means extra works may be involved to prevent performance issues.

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@nowiamone as @lokanchung says, if you feel strongly about a feature request, the best reaction is to send it to Bitwig directly. And since you made it here, adding your vote to this request won’t harm. :slight_smile:

We should include “There should be an option for …” into the Feature Request. Because otherwise, many users who have the taste of not wanting to see the gridlines (which is a mystery to me, but okay) wont feel good about this Request or might even tell Bitwigs support “dont change it” out of the un-necessary panic of thinking, that this is not a matter of Optionality.

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Yeah, I think this should be optional, as some who actually panicked when Ableton rolled backed this feature to current state (they removed gridline at 10 release then they added them back without adding any option. and 10 was my first Live version).

I made a huge video about all the feature requests, including the gridlines :slight_smile: Gridlines start at minute 9 https://youtu.be/oLDshsHmLYo

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I moved to Bitwig from Ableton Live and not having this as a feature hurt me much more than I expected.

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So simple and so needed

I’m also from Ableton and not missing those vertical lines in the clips. Those lines you are talking about are in the second windows at the sample or midi detail.

At the arranger view i’m happy with the not transparent clips.

I personally more prefere to add trasnparent alfa channel to all the tracks at the arranger to be more focused over whole row if lot of tracks is existing. It is very easy to be lost which track is which during eyes left right movement.

Peace!

Came here to say exactly this. I won’t switch until this is implemented.

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hope you tell that “i won’t switch to Bitwig because of this” to Bitwigs support, too :smiley: because i’m sure the more they hear this, the more certain it is, that the feature will actually come in the future! :slight_smile:

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YES this is needed big time.